For those that care...(Miami related)

**VOL61** · December 9th, 2010, 03:58 PM

From that list to me it looks like Tubs is coming home......

**Biggin** · December 9th, 2010, 04:39 PM

Cane is right, the Miami job list just got a lot less spectacular. None of those guys are the "best coach in America" like the Miami AD was claiming.

Im with mega, Gus Malzahan HAS to be #1 on the list IMO. Who knows what the outside may do, Gus may let the kids murder each other, but they will put up points and they will win games.

But from that list, Tubbs is the only coach with experience at a big time college. Golden at Temple and Edsall at Uconn have never had to deal with the pressures of a big university. Thats a big point, those guys have never had to prove they can handle big fanbases, tough fans and a demanding program.

Tubbs has had to do that at Auburn and Ole Miss.

but Tubbs is not a great coach. He will never be a big time national title contender threat. but he will build Miami to a very solid 10 win team with a nasty defense. Maybe they can let Tubbs run it for 3-4 years then fire him when the program has increased its prestige back up and get a big time coach.

**VOL61** · December 9th, 2010, 05:27 PM

Tubs is a great defensive coach. He has proven that. Those canes defense's in the 80's where some of the best in college football history. He proved it at Texas A&M as well as Ole Miss and Auburn.

The other thing is he is a good recruiter. If he does get this job I think the first call he would make would be to Eddie Gran who is a very good recruiter as well. The only thing about Tubberville is he has to find a good OC.

But if he is hired whoever he gets is going to believe in running the football. That is who he is. He tried the wide open thing with Franklin and it was a disaster. But to me you win football games by playing great defense and running the football. Tubbs believe in those things. It aint very fancy but it works and he will win at Miami. He may not be the sexiest hire out there but he could end up being the best.....

**CoeburnCane** · December 9th, 2010, 06:03 PM

Sorry guys. I'm not sold on Tubs. It's kind of one of those things--like when people like Jimbo Fisher, Butch Davis, and Frank Beamer all were telling Randy Shannon, "keep doing what you're doing, you're doing things the right way--we're behind you 100%", the whole time their teams are kicking your team's butt on the field. They didn't want him to succeed...their moral support was just that--moral. Secretly--they hoped we'd never fire Shannon.

For other fanbases' fans to tell me how great of a hire Tuberville would be just kind of turns me off to the idea, because I'm not sure you have Miami's best interests in mind. Might be petty of me, but oh well.

**1inStripes** · December 9th, 2010, 06:23 PM

I think Tubs would have Miami winning the ACC. Maybe not a national title, but the ACC within 2 years.

**CoeburnCane** · December 9th, 2010, 06:45 PM

Originally Posted by 1inStripes

I think Tubs would have Miami winning the ACC. Maybe not a national title, but the ACC within 2 years.

See, that's where I draw the line. With the talent base that Miami gets year in/year out, Miami should be in Charlotte or Tampa or whereever every single year. I know that will upset some VT fans--but that's the truth. All that's missing is a coach to develop the talent that's already there and make it happen.

The ACC is an afterthought to me. That's why when VT fans or FSU fans talk about winning the ACC--I'm never impressed. It's expected at Miami--at least by most fans. Win the conference, and compete annually for the crystal football. If you build your team up good enough to win a national title, then the ACC is a piece of cake. I want a coach that has the ability to develop Miami to the point of being as good as the top tier ACC/Big T(welv)en teams. When that's the case, then Miami will be winning ACC titles w/o a problem and focusing on winning a national title.

Tuberville doesn't strike me as the guy for the job due to my criteria set out above.

**1inStripes** · December 9th, 2010, 07:01 PM

I think that would depend completely on who he landed as OC. Him and his usual folks make Miami a serious ACC champ within 2 years. If he brought in a top notch OC, it may be national title talk in 2 years. Without that I could see him getting Miami there in 4 years and then he's probably done anyway.

**Biggin** · December 9th, 2010, 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by CoeburnCane

See, that's where I draw the line. With the talent base that Miami gets year in/year out, Miami should be in Charlotte or Tampa or whereever every single year. I know that will upset some VT fans--but that's the truth. All that's missing is a coach to develop the talent that's already there and make it happen.

The ACC is an afterthought to me. That's why when VT fans or FSU fans talk about winning the ACC--I'm never impressed. It's expected at Miami--at least by most fans. Win the conference, and compete annually for the crystal football. If you build your team up good enough to win a national title, then the ACC is a piece of cake. I want a coach that has the ability to develop Miami to the point of being as good as the top tier ACC/Big T(welv)en teams. When that's the case, then Miami will be winning ACC titles w/o a problem and focusing on winning a national title.

Tuberville doesn't strike me as the guy for the job due to my criteria set out above.

Dont take this the wrong way, but you gotta contend for ACC titles before you can even think about winning a national title.
Miami has never won an ACC title, its unfair to a coach to say I expect you to win a national title in five years when they have not even competed for an ACC title since they joined the conference.

Miami needs a coach with experience at a big time program, a coach who knows how to build a program and a coach who can deal with the pressures of a big time school. Coaching at Miami would be awesome, but it wont be easy.

With the climate now and the UF job being open, Tubberville might be the best man for the job for right now. Let him coach for five years, get Miami back to a 10-win, ACC title contender team, then go from there.

Unless they get Gus Malzahan, who would be my #1 choice now.

**VOL61** · December 10th, 2010, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by CoeburnCane

Sorry guys. I'm not sold on Tubs. It's kind of one of those things--like when people like Jimbo Fisher, Butch Davis, and Frank Beamer all were telling Randy Shannon, "keep doing what you're doing, you're doing things the right way--we're behind you 100%", the whole time their teams are kicking your team's butt on the field. They didn't want him to succeed...their moral support was just that--moral. Secretly--they hoped we'd never fire Shannon.

For other fanbases' fans to tell me how great of a hire Tuberville would be just kind of turns me off to the idea, because I'm not sure you have Miami's best interests in mind. Might be petty of me, but oh well.

Cane, I know you don't want Tubs but I promise you I want Miami to be good again. In case you haven't noticed I am a UT fan and I live in Gate City so needless to say I get to hear about Tech everyday. I would like nothing better than for Miami to be good......

Except for maybe Nick Saban to get hit by a truck or something.....

**1inStripes** · December 10th, 2010, 10:59 AM

I think mine and Biggins thoughts are about the same. Miami has to take that minor step before they can take the giant leap. If you can't win the ACC title, you can't win the national title.